Two Transcripts about Donald Trump: Sen. Ted Cruz and Mark Levin, Esq.

Two Transcripts of Sen. Ted Cruz and Mark Levin, Esq.

Talking About Donald Trump and Sen. Cruz's Presidential Eligibility

Sen. Cruz Answers Questions from Reporters About his Eligibility to be President:

>> http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-responds-to-trumps-birther-claims-video/

Partial transcript from video #1:

"The legal issue is straightforward. The son of a U.S. citizen born abroad [i.e. the child born abroad] is a natural born citizen. ... The constitution and laws of the United States are straightforward. The very first Congress [in the 1790 Naturalization Act] defined the child of a U.S. citizen born abroad is [the implication by lawyer and constitutional scholar Cruz of "is" is the continuous present tense "still is"] a natural born citizen."

Partial transcript from video #2:

"As a legal matter, the question is quite straightforward and settled law that the child of U.S. citizens born abroad [i.e. the child born abroad] is a natural born citizen. ...

"John McCain was born in Panama but he was a natural born citizen because his parents were U.S. citizens [plural-both were citizens]. George Romney, Mitt's dad, was born in Mexico when his parents were Mormon missionaries, but he's a U.S. citizen because his parents were citizens [plural]. And actually, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before Arizona was a state, and yet he was a natural born citizen because his parents [plural] were citizens.."

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Mark Levin Chastises Donald Trump on his Natonal Radio Program

Listen to Mark Levin: Stop Chasing Dumbass Issues in the video on TheRightScoop.com:
>> http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-stop-chasing-dumbass-issues/

Partial transcript from video #1:

"Normally I wouldn't start with this, the new birther issue, but I do want to address it since my background is related to constitutional law. ... I'll put my...thirty some years background into this. This is why I was never a birther, quote unquote, when it came to Obama. Not only is it stupid; not only don't we have standing to actually challenge it; not only won't any court address it, it's just not true. ....

"So, let me do my best to explain this in plain English so liberals can understand it and goofballs can understand it. [Levin's version of "Natural Born Citizen for Dummies" who are not as informed as he his, of course].

"And, by the way, Trump has taken two positions on the same issue. Ann Coulter has taken two positions on the same issue. I don't really care what their view is on this. And I don't say this to attack Trump or anything else. I'm just addressing this issue. He brought it up. No, a reporter brought it up. Yeah, ok.

"If you're born to a United States citizen, whether in America or outside America, whether in an unincorporated American territory like Panama in the case of John McCain, whether on a military base, whether in Mexico like George Romney who ran for president at one point, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

"Here's what section one, article two of the Constitution says, clause five: 'No person except a natural born citizen', which is not defined, 'or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of the president'. That's it. That's it.

"So, let's say you're traveling overseas; let's say you're pregnant; say you have a baby. Does that mean your baby is not eligible to be president of the United States? Of course not. That baby's still an American citizen under American statutory law. It's a natural born American citizen. Well, what else would that child be?

"You and I have argued, and I think effectively and definitively, that just because somebody comes into the United States and has a child doesn't mean that child is an American citizen. That's what the chain migration types argue. That's what the birthright citizenship types argue. You and I don't argue that.

"So, somebody's traveling here and they have a baby, that baby's not an American citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment. Now, of course, the amnesty crowd, the establishment Republicans, dummies on tv, they argue that's the case, but it's not the case. So, we're perfectly consistent. But even if we weren't consistent, we're talking about two different parts of the constitution. One is the Fourteenth Amendment and this is section one, article two, clause five. 'No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States'. That is, somebody born of another citizen, wherever, or somebody born of another citizen in the United States is eligible for the office of president.

"So, here we are, we're going to spend the next five days on this because the media love it. Do you love it? Do you think this is helpful in determining who you might want to vote for? You going to chase circles? You going to run backwards? You going to do backflips over this? There's kooks all over the place, of course. Some of them have law licenses. Some of them pretend to be professors. Some of them have websites. I get it. I got it. I really do. But we're not liberals. We're not liberals, we try to discern the truth. We try to discern the facts. We try to discern the law. We try to figure out what the framers meant in the Constitution.

"The framers didn't reject people who were born of American citizens from being American citizens. Did they? Of course not. And besides, the Supreme Court would never hear this case. First of all, you have to have standing and almost nobody does. It's a technical issue but it's a crucial issue. That's number one. Number two, they would treat this as part of the political question doctrine. They're not going to get involved in it. They're just not going to do it.

"Well, some people will say, well now, there has to be a child of two American citizen parents. But, that's not in the Constitution either. Where does it say that? It doesn't say anything*. So, rather than being activists and liberals rewriting the Constitution and trying to change it to accommodate a candidate or something, that's not what constitutional conservatives do. That's not who we are. That's not who we are.

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*Some common sense question for Mark Levin.

So, Mark, if two U.S. citizen parents is not in the Constitution, do you know how many U.S. citizen parents are in the Constitution? One? Zero?

Mark, do you know how many are implied in the Constitution? Two? One? Zero?

Mark, are you implying that since a definite number of U.S. citizen parents is NOT mentioned, that means that EVERYBODY is eligible if born on U.S. soil to two OR one OR zero U.S. citizen parents, and ALSO eligible if born on foreign soil to one OR two U.S. citizen parents?

Mark, do you really think that John Jay implied multiple choice parents and locations of birth when he underlined the word "born" in "natural born Citizen" in his July 25, 1787 note to his good friend George Washington, a national security suggestion that was accepted by the framers when they adopted the new constitution on September 17, 1787?

Mark, do you know how many U.S. citizen parents determine singular U.S. citizenship and how many U.S. citizen parents determine dual U.S./foreign citizenship? Two? One? Zero?

Mark, of course you know. So what's with the incoherent proposition quoted above about two U.S. citizen parents, "...But, that's not in the Constitution either. Where does it say that? It doesn't say anything."

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"There is even some question about Barry Goldwater because he was born in Phoenix. Arizona was a territory. Well, does a territory count? In the Panama Canal, the debate was, well, was it incorporated at the time of John McCain's birth, whether it was a military base or not. This is for the kooks. This is for the kooks. So, let the kooks argue it. 

"The truth is, the truth is this thing is resolved. Now, it may not be resolved if you are an opponent of Cruz's. It may not be resolved if you are one of the kooks out there. So what? But the media love it. You want to know why the media love it? Because yesterday the president of the United States, in dictatorial fashion was attacking the Bill of Rights. Yesterday the president of the United States was attacking the Second Amendment. Yesterday the president of the United States was in essence making us all guilty until proven innocent when it comes to the right to purchase weapons. Yesterday the president of the United States went further than ever in eviscerating the Constitution. And today, today we're chasing a birther argument. Played right into the liberal's hands. Right into their hands. Even Josh not Earnest mocking, mocking.

"I don't know about you ladies and gentlemen, but the Republic is going down the tubes. The Republic is going down the tubes. That's all I care about. Restoring this Republic. I don't care about any individual candidate. I don't believe in cults of personality. Some websites do. Some commentators do. Fine. I'm not one of them. I do not believe in cults of personality. I believe we need to do the best we can to save this Republic; what's left of it, and restore liberty. And chasing another dumbass issue ain't gonna do it. It's not gonna do it. Go ahead, chase it, run around. Not backwards, run forward. But this is not gonna do it. And it's not gonna change a single vote. But now the lib media, they now have a reason not to focus on the Second Amendment; not to focus on Obama and gun control. Now all talk radio, everybody on tv, were chasing our own tails, we're acting stupid on a subject that is moronic and boring.

"Listen to me. Yes, Cruz is eligible. Yes, his mother is an American citizen. Yes, he was born in Canada. Canada's laws have nothing to do with America's laws, America's constitution, America's statutes. Whether Canada views him as a citizen, or did or didn't, and whether he rejected, is of zero consequence. The issues is, what's the consequence to the United States of America?

"Stop chasing liberal arguments. Don't accept cults of personality. Be freedom loving constitutional conservatives. Have self respect, stand on principle, and let us beat the liberals.

"I'll be right back."

Partial transcript from video #2:

"I'm prepared to debate any so-called legal scholar, professor, serious commentator or candidate on this particular issue on the air. More than happy to do it. More than happy to. See, it's not a matter of just an opinion. You have to understand the Constitution. You have to understand the nature of construction. You have to understand a little bit of American history. So, that makes things complicated for liberals and knee jerkers. But, I'm more than happy to debate this issue with anybody who says that an American citizen born of an American citizen mother, wherever that citizen is born, is not eligible as a naturalized citizen to run for president of the United States. There's absolutely no authority for that.

"If people want to gum up the works, gum up the works, but I'm putting out a challenge, right now, on this program. But don't give me Ann Coulter. She's taken different positions on this, and she backed McConnell and Christy, and I don't need that, though I would be happy to do it, frankly. But even Donald Trump, whom I like, a lot. And, no media, I'm not attacking Donald Trump. I'm defending the Constitution. I'm defending the rule of law and I will defend it against all comers. All comers. All comers, period. It doesn't matter to me. Republican, Democrat, Independent, poor, rich, white, black. Doesn't matter to me. I'm not a liberal. And I don't kneejerk like a liberal.

"Over at RightScoop, here's Trump, just in September, not five years ago, not two years ago, in September. ABC News, cut eight, go:

Reporter:

'Do you think he is ineligible to be president because he was born in Canada?'

Trump:

'No. From what I understand, everything is fine. I hear that it was checked out by every attorney, every which way, and I understand Ted is in fine shape.'

"Ok. That was then. Now, yesterday, three months from there. Cut nine, go:

Trump:

'Well, I mean, honestly, I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not going to be a problem for him, but I've been hearing a lot about it, and you've been hearing (garbled).

"Ok, stop. It's not a problem for him. I hear a lot about everything. I hear ... I hear, I hear, I hear. What does that have to do with anything. ... It either is or it isn't.

"And there are birthers out there, whenever I used to speak somewhere, which wasn't often, they would always run up to me, 'You should be a constitutional conservative. You should be with us on Obama on this birther issue.' You know what I used to say to them? Get lost nutjob. There is no birther issue. There's a liberty issue. There's a national security issue. There's a law and order issue. There's a capitalism and property rights issue. There's a Bill of Right issue. Especially the Second Amendment now.

"So today, look at what we're discussing. The inbred puke over there in North Korea is running wild. Islamonazis are still on the move. The border's still wide open. And on and on and on. The problems this country faces with the despotic conduct of this president, and here we are chasing shiny objects.

"And it's not the responsibility of a candidate to get a declaratory judgment from a court that wouldn't even give him a declaratory judgment on an issue like this. It's so absurd. Number one, the political doctrine notion. The court's not going to get involved. And number two, that's not how things work. Well, let me go into court and clear my name. Clear your name from what? Let me go into court and make sure what I'm doing is legal. Legal from what?

"If somebody believes Ted Cruz does not have the legitimate constitutional, uh, natural citizenship to run for president, let that candidate go to court.Why don't they? There's my challenge. Go to court. You get the declaratory judgment if you think you can get it. You get some kind of injunction if you can. Go ahead. But it won't happen 'cause it ain't gonna happen. 'Cause it won't work.

"Let me be very clear about this 'cause I strongly supported Trump when he said, hey, look, anchor babies, that's not provided for under the Fourteenth Amendment. He was correct. One hundred percent correct and he came under attack. I defended him, not because he's Donald Trump. And I like Donald Trump. I defended him because he was right, and on this issue he's wrong. He's wrong. That's ok, right? He was right, actually, in September. He's wrong now. So, he was right in September, he's wrong now. Every attorney, he understands, every attorney and every which way, he understood, he's in fine shape. That was correct. Now it's, well, people are raising the question. Ok, fine, who cares?

"So, I have put this to sleep. If people want to keep chasing it's because they want radio ratings or tv ratings or whatever it is. But, from a constitutional point of view there's no problem. Ted Cruz is an American citizen. Ted Cruz has been voting as an American citizen. He's allowed to vote 'cause he is an American citizen. His mother is an American citizen. He was born from his mother, an American citizen. It doesn't matter where she was. Same with George Romney. Same with John McCain. Same with, I'm sure, many many others. It doesn't matter. .

"The issue that the framers were concerned about was loyalty to the country. If somebody is born who is not an American citizen, or is born outside the country whose not an American citizen, they were concerned about allegiance to the country. So, it's a fundamental matter. I don't think that's much about to be concerned. Do you ladies and gentlemen? No, I don't. And were not going to take any calls on this 'cause it's boring and boring and boring."

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Allegiance By Birth Place and Birth to Two U.S. Citizen Parents

(Singular U.S. Citizenship)

vs.

Allegiance By Birth Alone to One U.S. Citizen Parent

(Dual U.S./Foreign Citizenship)

So, it seems that Mark Levin's conclusion is that allegiance to the country is of fundamental importance, but clarifying how many U.S. citizen parents, two or one or zero a child is born with in the country (U.S. soil – two – Trump, Paul, Fiorina, etc.) (U.S. soil – one – Obama) (U.S. soil – zero – Rubio, Jindal, Haley, etc.) or outside the country (foreign soil – one – Cruz), is not of fundamental importance in understanding the perpetual relevance and significance of "born" in "natural born Citizen" in Article II Section 1 clause 5 and singular U.S. citizenship and allegiance to the country.